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Post by barncat on May 27, 2012 20:34:02 GMT -6
I love the Outlaw. It's just brutal power, that consistently tries to yank your shoulders from their sockets. BUT...BUT I'd much rather ride the Scrambler. It's a pig, but so comfortable, and actually pretty fun. It's big and heavy, but damn near bullet proof. I have wanted the 500cc Scramblers since they day they came out and now I have one. I got lucky and everything except the engine/carb on mine is brand new. All the ball joints and springs, tranny, belts, tires and wheels. I contemplte selling my Outlaw and buying a 400 Scrambler(2 stroke) and another 500(4x4)
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Post by 400ex on May 28, 2012 12:49:55 GMT -6
looks good damn you sure go though alot of atv since you been on here lol
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Post by barncat on May 28, 2012 16:04:38 GMT -6
Life is short and I want to try them all. Hell next week I could be in a dune buggy...
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Post by 400ex on May 28, 2012 16:06:54 GMT -6
yea thats true life is short for sure
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Post by plainbroke on May 28, 2012 21:24:29 GMT -6
Yea not much is more comfortable to ride than the scrambler.. and the 500s have enough power to keep most of us happy.. Would like to ride a 400 sometime to see if that would be a great comprimise between the scrammy 500 and the outlaws wicked power..
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Post by Mitch on May 29, 2012 6:47:44 GMT -6
what about the polaris 4 strokes? are they worth a damn?
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Post by barncat on May 29, 2012 15:52:55 GMT -6
The Scrambler is a 500cc 4-stroke, and the outlaw is a 525 4-stroke.
Most of Polaris' engines are rock solid. The only engine they have had issues with is the Fuji 500 in the Predators. And in all fairness those were mostly Tranny issues
I wouldn't hesitate to buy any Polaris. They get a bad rap because, for the most part they do not cater to the race crowd. I have not had any issues in Polaris, that I wouldn't expect from any other quad.
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Post by 400ex on May 29, 2012 17:27:56 GMT -6
i dont like them because they are belt driven well some of them
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Post by Mitch on May 29, 2012 17:38:00 GMT -6
do they have any "known" issue's or weak links?
chain or belt is better?
reason im asking, is one day i'd like to get an automatic quad, something everyone and anyone could ride
polaris's seem to be plentiful and cheap, so probably the route i will go eventually
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Post by heidi700r on May 29, 2012 19:25:15 GMT -6
i dont like them because they are belt driven well some of them IMO, the belt driven part of it is a non-factor. They are easy to swap, and the belts themselves are pretty cheap. Atleast they were, I haven't bought one in 4 years. haha. The only thing that stung me about my polaris quad was how the 4 wheel drive rarley worked when you wanted it to, or how it worked when you didnt want it to. I think that had a lot to due with the bearing issues I had with it. It was a weird deal. My uncle just bought a pair of trailblazer 250s for his boys, probably the best purchase for beginners IMO. Easy to use, and fun as hell. They think there pretty slick riders now, even though they thought they could smoke my raptor because their quads are the "same size" as mine. Haha.
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Post by heidi700r on May 29, 2012 19:37:02 GMT -6
do they have any "known" issue's or weak links? chain or belt is better?reason im asking, is one day i'd like to get an automatic quad, something everyone and anyone could ride polaris's seem to be plentiful and cheap, so probably the route i will go eventually The polaris's are actaully both. Since the scambler is an automatic quad, it has centrifugal clutch. While in gear, the clutch makes the belt tighter. Transfering the power from the belt to the drive shaft, from the drive shaft to the spocket, and so on and so forth. Theres a bit more to it than that, but thats a general run down on it. Barncat, if any of that info is wrong, feel free to correct it for me.
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Post by barncat on May 29, 2012 20:14:55 GMT -6
The belts are the best feature IMO. You can make all sorts of adjustments via: springs and weights. You can have a Tranny that engages quickly, or a High stall, allowing you to build revs, so you can make impressive Hole shots.
Basically you have a drive clutch (off the engine, it does the majority of the work) and then a driven clutch(torque converter). It powers a jack shaft which drives a chain or shaft. I personally have had nothing but good experience with them, but I know the problems do exist.
Mitch, it really depends on the years/makes I prefer the 2000 and up quads, but o each there on. If you are wanting 4x4, the Sportsman 500 is tough to beat. In the 2x4 Platform, the Scrambler 500(for power) the Trailblazers(for NOOBs) or the Trail Boss(Good Utility) are all tough to beat. You also have the Magnums, and newer Phoenix and Hawkeye. All in All Polaris has remained relatively unchanged for years.
All Polaris Autos are chains or shafts DRIVEN by an Engine Belt. Polaris autos are damn near bullet proof. They are snowmobile transmissions, and Polaris has that shit mopped up.
As far as the 4x4...you aren't alone Heidi. My cousins fwd engaged an locked up on 1 front wheel. It was at appx 45mph, and threw him from the quad. Messing him up pretty good.
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Post by plainbroke on May 29, 2012 22:04:42 GMT -6
on that 4x4 engaging wrong issue it has to do with the fluid level and cleaness the old 350l would not engage at all if it was low and would engage when you did not want to if it had gotten dirty.. always gave me a sign of what was wrong.. flush and fill with auto trans fluid I always used synthetics.. Polaris is still the only true 4x4 out there most of them are 3 wheel drive in reality.. I wanna get a 800+ sportsman or RZR as my next toy..
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Post by Mitch on May 30, 2012 12:51:22 GMT -6
thanks for the good info. only intereseted in 2wd, so that narrows it down. always liked the 250 trailbalzers, but would probably try to find a 400 if i could afford it... one day
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Post by Mitch on Jun 10, 2012 19:32:47 GMT -6
looking like we are gonna sell trey's dirt bike, and get a polaris. will only hav about $1000 to spend, so 250 trailblazers are what im looking at.
saw one for 500, has tranny issue.. are those hard to replace? saw a tranny on ebay for 230.
what about those front struts? they last long?
how hard is it to bypass the oil injection?
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Post by barncat on Jun 10, 2012 21:00:09 GMT -6
I'm not positive on replacing the Trans, but the drive components are very easy. I would NOT bypass the oil system unless it needs it. Polaris injection is damn near fool-proof, and they rarely fail. As far as I know, those struts last a lifetime. I have been around at least 10 Polaris quads, and NONE have has strut issues, and all of the quads are 10+ years old.
A buddy bought a CHERRY T.B. for $700. All it needed was a seat cover.
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Post by 400ex on Jun 10, 2012 21:15:36 GMT -6
Wow that was a hell of a deal for sure for $700
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Post by beaverclever02 on Jun 10, 2012 22:10:41 GMT -6
Just keep in mind even though they did simplify it it still is a 2 stroke and will require normal 2stroke maint. like top end rebuilds, reeds. The plus side is the oil injection is applied after the jet circuit in the carb, so no gunny carb like you get with pre-mix. The 330 boss's and magnums are good rides as well in a 4stroke lower cc range
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Post by Mitch on Jun 13, 2012 11:32:07 GMT -6
been searching for a clean trailblazer, so far this is the best i can find... what ya'll think? guys wants $1100 each, he has 2. he also claims they need nothing, good tires, etc... very good shape... omaha.craigslist.org/rvs/3073036062.html
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Post by heidi700r on Jun 13, 2012 16:01:01 GMT -6
Those all look clean mitch and probably worth the $1100. Id go with the white one, cant go wrong with a white quad!! haha.
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Post by Mitch on Jun 18, 2012 18:08:31 GMT -6
been looking at 250 trailbalzer's, seems most have rear brake issue's.... did some research, what im finding out is that the rear pedal is like a "backup", only applies 30% braking power... while the handbrake works both front and rear fully. seem's kinda stupid to me, anyone got 1st hand knowledge?
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Post by heidi700r on Jun 19, 2012 15:39:59 GMT -6
That is true about the handbrake controlling the front and rear brake pads. I really don't care for it just because I had close call with my sportsman on a steep hill, but that was just one time. Other than that I havent heard of any actual issues with the brakes.
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Post by Mitch on Jun 19, 2012 20:16:53 GMT -6
so yea, the rear petal sucks balls on those.... took trey to look at a trailblazer and let him decide. he didnt mind, so i bought it. its a 2002, one owner, original tires, very clean. needs black wheels, haha Attachments:
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Post by Mike on Jun 19, 2012 21:20:18 GMT -6
Nice looking Quad.
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Post by heidi700r on Jun 20, 2012 16:22:12 GMT -6
Looks real sharp mitch, I dunno though I dont mind the white rims so much. Your boy isnt gonna want anything else as soon as he hits the trails with that baby!!
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Post by 400ex on Jun 20, 2012 20:56:35 GMT -6
looks nice yea the rims needs to be yellow lol
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Post by barncat on Jun 21, 2012 6:32:43 GMT -6
The bolt pattern in back is 4on4 which is the same as most golf carts. The front is 4-156(Yamaha).
Personnaly I think Polaris fucked up by putting the Hand brake on the left side. For those of us that ride Motorcycles, our muscle memory is trained to grab that as a clutch. You can convert it to a right hand brake, but I haven't ever messed with it.
Usually when I am on a Polaris, I grab both brakes at the same time(another motorcycle thing) So I never really notice the rear brake.
And Nice looking quad!
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Post by Mitch on Jun 21, 2012 10:09:15 GMT -6
i dont like the brake setup, but then again i wont be riding it. and hell yea i would put black wheels on anything, ha. gonna be looking for some paddles in a few months....
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Post by beaverclever02 on Jun 26, 2012 16:18:37 GMT -6
Hey mitch I have a brand new UNI and some sprockets fot the TB if your intrested.
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Post by Mitch on Jun 26, 2012 19:41:56 GMT -6
yeah im interested
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